Somehow I posted the following on my message wall instead of yours. I just noticed, so I am posting it here:
So at some point in early 2016 Zenescope pretty much stopped using the phrase "Grimm Fairy Tales" presents on pretty much anything. As a result we have some situations were the beginning of a mini series used that phrase on their covers and the later issues did not. Okay, I'm keeping that with how it started. That leads to examples like Van Helsing vs. Dracula (I'm sure there are more) and that's what I am asking about. The first four issues are "Grimm Fairy Tales Presents Van Helsing vs. Dracula" with the last one being "Van Helsing vs. Dracula" and the trade being called "Van Helsing vs. Dracula." Since the trades are listed as separate entities, should be stick with how the mini series started or go with the name of the book itself. I am inclined to go with the name of the trade since we have the last for Grimm Fairy Tales Volume 1 trades being called Arcane Acre with a new numbering system (which I think we discussed a few years back), but I wanted to ask you what you thought.
So six years ago, Zenescope put out Grimm Fairy Tales Oversized Cosplay Special Vol 1 1, which was a story about some girls cosplaying as Zenescope characters and murdering Zenescope staff under the control of Baba Yaga, rather creepy, though it was interesting to see the blend of real world and comic world. This month the PreviewsWorld has what seems to amount to a cosplay pin up book with a short story in it, no idea of the topic, more like the swimsuit editions, but the name is Grimm Fairy Tales Presents 2018 Cosplay Special #1 . . . according to PreviewsWorld. It doesn't say anything about being Oversized, though it probably is, these books tend to be. I don't think there is any connection between the two and the name might be different enough to just give them different names (though I think the only difference is the lack of the word Oversized and the fact that this one does say Presents).
I just wanted your thoughts on what to call the page and the images. I'm going to hold off on naming the images until I hear back from you.
Now I have a new question. I'm going through everything that is in the Previews this month and there is something I'm not sure if I should put it on here or not. It's a coloring book box set. Obviously it has Grimm Fairy Tales characters I am provisionally calling the page (that does not currently exist) "Grimm Fairy Tales Adult Coloring Boxed Set Vol 1 1". I don't know if any of the other coloring books (including the ones in the box set) are on the site, since there are a new thing from Zenescope and I got way behind, so I am currently playing catch up . . . slowly. I figured if I can start with the current PreviewsWorld and work my way backwards, I can at least get the most recent things on the site and eventually I will get it up to date, but I'm not sure if you want coloring books on here (or calendars, games, figurines, etc, though those seem less likely since they aren't books, but I have data for a bunch of those if you want them, too). So before I go any further on that front, I am asking about coloring books. I do have the rest of the most recent PreviewsWorld uploaded and I might start on last months tonight or tomorrow. We'll see.
Including things like collections of limited edition covers? Something I ran into recently was a collection of four Zenescope comics: Bad Girls 1, Wonderland 5, The Summoning Part 1 (Myths and Legends 21), and Fly: The Fall 1 each with a limited edition cover. It was listed in the Previews as "Zenescope Limited Exclusives Cover 4-Pack". There are a few others like that. Presumably these are just four comics with limited edition covers that were wrapped in plastic or cellophane which have absolutely no connection to each other beyond the fact that Zenescope apparently needed to get rid of a bunch of extra limited covers.
Not trying to argue for or against them. I put this item on the individual wikias I run, and the plan is to show the picture from PreviewsWorld as the "cover" and then the individual covers of the comics included in the gallery. In addition to the description of the item in PreviewsWorld, I'll probably add the descriptions of the included comics.
I got caught up in things, so I'll add the coloring book tomorrow, most likely. Thanks for getting back to be on that so quickly.
I have a question about the comic book templates. There are a couple of mini series featuring a villain (on a murderous rage no less) as the main character. Her name's in the title and everything. Under "Featured Characters" are only three categories: Support, Villian, and Other. When the villain is the main character, who counts as a support character and who counts as a villain? In one of them she pretty much goes through and slaughters everyone (the whole thing happens in her head, so she kills off . . . the Grimm Fairy Tales Universe, essentially). I figure support means anyone who isn't a main character, but is there a decent amount of the story. Other means the people who are barely there. But would Villians be those who are on her side?
We had this same discussion on the Hey Kids wiki and went with Adversaries: instead of villains I changed it here but it has not taken affect. It may take affect when the system does global changes tomorrow.
Cool. Thanks for that. It's not something I run into all that often, but I have wondered about it a few times. With these two mini series (there could be others, but these are the ones I know) it kind of was more relevant than previous wonders on the topic.
Would you mind if I made some changes to the Top Navigation? I'd like to make it easier to find a certain things. Also, if it is alright with you, I would love to make a series of pages like I do with my individual wikias that includes the first appearance of each character within the zenescope universe across all series.
It's up to you and I won't do anything without your say, but I thought I would put the request before you.
Thanks. I will get to work on that as I have time. I kind of got a little negligent of the wikias I work on, so everything is very behind (except the couple that are very limited in scope and even those aren't done, but at least they have pages for all relevant issues). I've been trying to get work done, but when you get behind, there is a lot to be done. Hope you are having a great year.
Hi, I have a new user on the Charmed Wikia. This person is eager to help and I want them to help. However, we seem to disagree on some pretty big things and I am not sure how to handle the situation.
One thing we disagree on it the infoboxes. I want them collapsible and a single color for each site. This user things they should be noncollapsible and multiple colors. I think I can manage to satisfy them if I default the infoboxes to the closed, but I still think that looks messy and I don't like it. I don't think there is a way to agree on colors, especially since I want all of the Zenescope wikias I run (I call them sister wikias and I think of this one as their parent wikia) to be uniform in their infoboxes and general layouts.
The next thing we disagree on is powers. It's not that I don't want the powers there. I do and I think they should be listed on the character's page, but I don't think the powers should be given any place of prominance on the character's page. I think they should be listed in the infobox and mentioned as they come up in information about the character in the bio and in the summeries about the characters for different issues they are in. I think the descriptions of the powers should absolutely not be on the character pages, but be on their own pages (or on pages with multiple powers when necessary). I do not want any information about powers not used in the comics. This person made a list of powers and I counted 120 powers. I'm not saying there weren't 120 powers used in 38 issues thus far, but it seems unlikely, especially when you consider most of the time when a power is used it it the same half dozen to a dozen powers. On top of that there are less than one hundred characters total, many of them without any powers at all or with no identification of any powers (and many more such as the Angels of Destiny, various whitelighters, and various elders, who all have the same handful of powers), in the entire first season of the comics (I'm still working on the season season).
In addition to those things which the contributor is at least aware of there are some other things I haven't even brought up in anyway. One is that I have on multiple occasions found evidence that portions of pages from the Charmed Wikia were copy and pasted by them onto this site. I want people to write things themselves. I get suspicious when 7,000 characters are added all in one swoop to a page, so I check. I love people being prolofic, but I want them to have written what they write. I do not want this to be connected to the Charmed Wikia. I want it connected to this one. As far as I am concerned it is the (very much unoffial) Zenescope wikia from their Charmed comics. If it didn't happen in the comics, it needs to be minimized. If it has no direct impact on the comics, it needs to be eliminated.
When asked, the contributor says they have read the rules, but believe they must not have understood them and said they would reread them. I have seen no evidence that they understand them now. If you have time, you could look them over and see if you can understand them or not. http://thecharmedcomics.wikia.com/wiki/Rules_for_This_Wikia It should be clear, but maybe it isn't that fanon names for powers are not accepted, messing with someone else's template (which this person did) is not okay without permission and that fewer images are prefered. I am super conscious about that last one, which is another thing I haven't explained to them. Comics are a visual media. I want images of characters and things and places and powers and such from every issue, because Zenescope changes artists so much and I want to show how the different artists portray things, but I absolutely do not want someone to be able to locate the entire comic on the site by piecing together all the different images.
The only thing I have mentioned about the images is that I don't want borders around them and all images in a gif (something not brought up in the rules) need to be same dimensions, because otherwise it looks bad. There are a lot of bad images on that site (from a lot of different sources). The gifs are awesome, but it is jarring to be looking at them and suddenly the shape changes completely.
I also have to go through and fix the front page, something I haven't had a chance to do yet, because this contributor, who admits to not understanding much about coding, went through and started changing code.
I'm sorry to drop all of this on you, but you said you would help if I needed help with dealing with contributors and I am at a loss here. I don't know what to do here, especially since I would actually like to keep this contributor.
Thanks for taking all the time to read this and for any advice that you can offer me.
Hello, sorry to hear you are having problems. I will help as best I can, for the infoboxes while you may want to keep an open mind and look at any proposals for new boxes it is your wiki & your vision so it should be presented as you want it & your contributors should respect that.
For the powers if you tell the editor what you want, they need to comply with that. Do try to make sure the rules are clear but you seem to have informed the contributor what was expected of them and argueing with you about it or having an edit war is not acceptable behavior.
About the front page just go into the last edit you made before the undesirable edits and save that edit again it will overwrite anyedits made after that edit. you can also lock any page you want so only an admin or you can edit them including templates.
Lately I have been having issues with copied info on my wiki so I can tell you that it is very important that you nip any copying in the bud as soon as possible. this can cause a lot of trouble for you in the future if editors continue to "lift" articles from other sources. Even though wikia says that the info is available to share they do not back that up if to much info is present from other wikis or a contributor from the other wiki complains wikia can shut your wiki down.
As for the rules it should'nt be your responsibility to make the editor understand the rules, by this I mean that you have the rules written down and they are fairly clear on what you want. If the person is not understanding them they either need to reread them or ask questions if they don't understand how the wiki works.
If the editor is willing to work with you fine, but a stubborn editor that won't follow the wiki's rules is not helping anyone, you will spend more time cleaning up after them and argueing than it is worth for the contributions.
I hope some of this helps, try to talk to the person you may just need to be firm. You should not stress about this though just let me know if you need anything or any help I can reverse edits & cleanup wikis with the best of them.
Well, it looks like I probably scared them away. Pity, because I'd like someone helping, but if there were just going to go against what I wanted, I guess it's for the best. Since addressing one item at a time wasn't really doing any good anyway, I wrote out a rather long message, which probably was rather intimidating to read, but I was at the point where this wasn't working anyway, so I went ahead and did that. It all needed to be said. I'll probably be going through that message and adding things to the rules, since there is stuff in there that could help clarify the rules some and a couple things (such as gifs) that are not addressed as such (although the gifs were breaking stated rules, sort of).
At some point I need to go through the wikia and delete a lot of pictures, but I'd rather worry about that at another time, so I have a clearer idea of which ones I actually do want to keep.
Thanks for the help. I'll let you know if I want some help with cleanup.
Sorry you are having the problem, It is nice to have help on the wiki's but editors who won't follow the rules are not really helping the wiki anyway. yes please do feel free to ask for help if you need it I am here for you.
This year has been a really long one thus far, so I am trying to play a little bit of catch-up with wikias today. I have five months of comics to put on sites, so this is going to take a while and probably not all get done today as I have other things to do. Anyway, when I was looking at those, I noticed that Zenescope's 10th Anniversary specials are numbered, thus far, 1-5. They have names in the previewsworld pages, but the names appear to more like the issue title. Grimm Fairy Tales has started putting most of the issue titles in the previews world listings also. So it's more like they are:
Alice, Death, and Cinderella aren't out yet, so I haven't seen the final covers yet.
According to what they said there are six one-shots and six of something else that are 10th Anniversary Specials. Or something like that. I'd have to find the original announcement. It was months ago that I read it, but I think it's on their site. I'll get back to you later. I have something to do right now. Thanks for getting back to me.
I was going through the PreviewsWorld lists and when I got to the trades, I came to this. The comics in it are 101-106 from the main Grimm Fairy Tales series, but the trade appears to be called "Grimm Fairy Tales: Arcane Acre Volume 1". After issue 100, the series changed direction, so the issues in this all take place in a school called Arcane Acre, which I assume is where the name comes from, but I'm a little unsure on how to handle this.
I have some guesses as what to do, but I'd like confirmation. What I am guessing is:
The issues are still listed as Grimm Fairy Tales Vol 1 10x (101, 102, 103, etc), because they are still part of the main series.
The trades (so long as the name continues) are listed as Grimm Fairy Tales: Arcane Acre (TPB) Vol 1 x (1, 2, 3, so long as the name persists) (unless the name is Grimm Fairy Tales Presents Arcane Acre, which is possible, but at the moment I am going with the idea that it isn't.
There should be nothing lists on the issue pages indicating the disparent naming convention on that as there has not been in previous cases (none of which prior to this contained only Grimm Fairy Tales issues).
Since I know you mentioned a contact at Zenescope, I was wondering where you got the dates for the early comics from Zenescope. I have been doing some very detailed research into the dates of Zenescope comics and if the information I am finding is correct, the first issue of Grimm Fairy Tales came out October 12, 2005 rather than June 2005 as you have it listed. Likewise the information I am finding lists Jindai 1 as scheduled to come out (I haven't checked the stuff that lists actual release dates, just PreviewsWorld from 2005) October 29, 2005 rather than May 2005 as you have it listed. In both cases, the second issue of the series came out in November 2005, according to both this site and the other sites I have checked. This would seem to support a release date in October for the issues 1.
My information comes from PreviewsWorld.com, ComicList.com, and AtomicEmpire.com, the first two of which I know where around in 2005 and long before and the third I think was. Obviously if you information is straight from Zenescope, they should know better, but I figured I'd ask, because I'd like as accurate of information as I can get.
I usually go by the dates inside the comic itself whenever possible I have both issues and i think the dates are correct, many times previews or solicitations are incorrect. here is a site I trust. [Jindai #1]
First, wow! You have a copy of Grimm Fairy Tales issue 1, first edition? Or is it a second edition and those tell the original publication date rather than the date the second edition is published? Or is it still a first edition, but second editions would give you that information? Whatever it is, wow.
So what does that mean? Is that like when Zenescope informed Charmed fans that the issue (I forget which one, but I have notes that would be pretty easy to check, if my internet was cooperating and I wanted to wait that long for all those pages to open) was done, was sent to the distributors, and was supposed to be out that week, but the distributor just hadn't sent it out? I think in that case the issue wasn't in stores until the month after (because the next week was a different month).
I checked the site you pointed me to. I've seen it before and sometimes I've gotten info from it, but I hadn't thought to look there for dates. Anyway, I checked Grimm Fairy Tales #1 and it included the same information, Publish Date as listed on this site (June 2005) and a Sale Date matching the one I found (October 12, 2005). At least cover A did. Now, cover B is a different story. It's a Comic Con exclusive, only 500 copies and it lists a sales date of June 3, 2005. I checked Jindai 1 and it only has one cover with the October Sales Date (Issue 5 of Jindai lists a September 2008 Publication date, but a May 2008 Sales Date . . . how does that work?)
I like the idea of listing Sales dates along with publication dates, since they are clearly not always the same, but I would like to understand what it means when an issue is published and then not for sale for months or even years (although based off the information about cover B, it looks like Grimm Fairy Tales #1 was available for sale in June, just not through distributors other than Zenescope at a comic book booth, which leads to which date do you count if months differ, public release or comic cons?).
I think the reasons could be either cash problems (Zenescope prepared the issue for a May release) but could not finance it until a few months later. you may see that when dealing with a new comic company. The only reason I can think of for a distributor (Diamond) to hold a book is because the publisher owes money. Zenescope also may have just dated the comic when they made it & shipped it when it was ready. On the subject of dates most collectors will go by the cover/indicia date & not the on sale date, its only in the last few years that on sale dates have become more widely used. and yes I have a first ed Grimm #1, I have every regular cover of every Zenescope comic they have published & most of their exclusive covers as well. This is the first alternate cover I bought from Zenescope.  another issue i have that i am very proud of is this one 
Gotcha. I've only been collecting comic books since 2010 and what I have is almost exclusively Zenescope (with the exception of the current Smallville run, Arrow, the most recent Gambit run, Supernatural, Grimm, and a handful of Top Cow series). I'm not really in the comic book collectors community so much as I'm in the Charmed fan community.
I will take the dating system that collectors use into account and do what I can to both use that and the street date accurately. I want the street dates listed, at least on my sites, but if collectors mostly prefer the publication dates, then I want to include those, so I'm going to make some changes to my templates.
One of my favorite alternate covers that I have is cover E for Tales From Neverland 1. I tried to check for it here, but it doesn't appear to be on the site, so I'll have to refer you to this]. I love books and I love fairies, so that's pretty much awesome right there.
Yep. I'll have to look at the Jindai one to see how you did that. Question. For street dates, should I put the date it's available in in comic book stores or just the first date it's available comic book store or comic con? In the example of Grimm Fairy Tales 1, it appears to have actually debuted at the Philadelphia Wizard's World on June 3rd (although what little I've been able to look into on that, Philadelphia Wizard's World is normally in May, not June, so I'm not sure what to make of that).
that is odd, I would use the release date for comic stores. check out the marvel wiki release date system  if you click on the release date it takes you to all the comics released that week. It's really cool.
There are a couple of series that Zenescope has put out that are currently digital only. I know of two off the top of my head, Family Pets and Suckers, but I think they said there were going to be four when they announced them. Both series are completed (six issues for Family Pets and five or six for Suckers. I've only read Family Pets through, so I'm not sure on Suckers). Should they be added to the site. I have not remembered to add them prior to this because, not being physical, they don't show up in PreviewsWorld where I fetch most of my information about upcoming issues of series.
I'm working on getting the issues from the PreviewsWorld two days ago onto the site and working on a master list of what came out each month since Zenescope started (at least the ones directly connected to Grimm Fairy Tales . . . plus Charmed and Raven Gregory's two connecting series, The Waking and Fly.) so I can figure out in which issue various characters first showed up. Belinda is being rather annoying on that front having first shown up in two issues that came out the same month (and as best I can tell the same week), but otherwise it is helping. Once I have this list done, I should have most issues on that list with at least a page, main cover, and date when they first came out.
On that note, I may have asked this before, but if a comic comes out digitally first, but later comes out in a physical copy, which date is the release date? Most issues that this happens to, the month and year are the same, but I've seen some where the month is different and I know at least one where the digital copy came out on one site (but not all) in December of one year and the physical copy (and additional digital sites carrying it) didn't happen until the next week . . . which was also both the next month and the next year.
Also if a physical copy is released at a Comic Con (usually SDCC in this example), but is not released digitally or in comic book stores until the next month, what is the release date for that issue?
Sorry for all the questions and thanks for any answers you give me.
I think for the time being the release date should reflect the physical copy. And if we start adding digital as their own separate series then they would have their own release dates. there is a place on the comic template for notes stating if the digital copy has a different release date. so as far as adding digital I would only give them their own pages if they don't exist as physical copys, otherwise just note the regular issue that it has a digital copy. A physical release date should be when the comic hits the "stands" so if there is a "sneak peek" release prior it should also be listed in the notes section.
It should be pretty easy to identify which one I mean. I want to upload the picture, but I'm not sure it's not too risqué. I've seen worse with them for sure, but this one is a little different. I can censor it if you think it needs to be censored. I've started doing that to any I think are questionable, because a few of the comic covers I've uploaded have been deleted (and explanations are a little difficult to be sure what they mean. The weirdest delete was of a fully clothed character looking for her keys . . . I think it was the color of her pants, two close to her skin tone). I have unedited versions of most of the censored ones I have uploaded, except for those I didn't sensor myself.
Anyway, I figured I would ask your opinion on it. Thanks.
I talked to sannse about covers on the crossgen wiki & she has worked with us on the risque covers If you have the time perhaps you can drop her a note and ask her if we can have the same consideration for "art" covers here. I see what you mean about the bottom half & it is likely to be deleted if we don't talk to sannse.
Is sannse the wiki "moderator" (or whatever it is called) here? Or does it matter as long as we talk to someone about the covers and they agree to work with us on the risqué ones? If we get the okay, I have uncensored copies of most of them, not all but most.
Ah. So what is the best way to contact her? Go to your Crossgen Wiki? Or somewhere else? And should I ask her about my other Zenescope Wikis? Charmed doesn't have that issue, but I'm not sure if any of the others are completely free of that issue. Others doesn't immediately bring any covers to mind, so maybe some of them don't either. Personally, my only issues is that I like the idea of being able to show people all the options of covers they can look for if they want (even the limited to 25 museum editions that some of them have). We don't pretend this is kid friendly and the main page should be fine.
You can talk to her here  or through the crossgen wiki. either way you could invite her to the zenescope wiki to talk & see that it is the same format as the crossgen wiki & we would like the same consideration for "art" covers here as well.